In Effort & Freedom, Sam speaks with Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo. They discuss Tenzin’s years-long retreat in a remote Indian cave; her studies with the 8th Khamtrul Rinpoche; the role of pointing-out instructions in spiritual development; the significance of one’s first glimpse into emptiness; pursuing realization without grasping for it; effortlessness in practice; Douglas Harding; stabilizing experiences of awakening; the advantage of eyes-open meditation; the ineffability of non-dual insight; the unethical behavior of certain great teachers; the improving status of monastic women; differences between Western-born and Himalayan nuns; and other topics…